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		<title>Comment on How to Submit Your Work by Reflections on the Economics of Digital Humanities &#124; THATCamp@Penn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reflections on the Economics of Digital Humanities &#124; THATCamp@Penn</dc:creator>
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		<title>Comment on Clustering with Compression for the Historian by Chad Black by Alex Galarza&#039;s Blog &#187; 2012</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex Galarza&#039;s Blog &#187; 2012</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2012 16:22:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of the pieces that made it into the peer-review process for the March edition is an article by Chad Black on using clustering compression to identify patterns in legal records from colonial Spanish [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Critical Discourse in the Digital Humanities by Fred Gibbs by katie</title>
		<link>http://digitalhumanitiesnow.org/2012/01/critical-discourse-in-the-digital-humanities-by-fred-gibbs/#comment-65</link>
		<dc:creator>katie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2012 04:58:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can’t stress enough the saliency of the points you bring up here and I can understand why you want to stay away from established nomenclature, such as “cultural criticism.” The question is do you borrow an existing rhetoric or do you establish a new rhetoric which would be more befitting for a new field? You emphasize how this new field exhibits a deeper and more extensive complexity, however the extent to which digital humanities differs from the other disciplines remains hazy throughout. This argumentation makes a strong case for a lack of critical discourse in DH and highlights the need for valid and effective criticism for acknowledgement in the eyes of insiders as well as outsiders. What struck me particularly was the depth to which your argument aspires and the ability to recognize the interconnections between the fields and the mutual influence they have on each other.  I’d like to see a better presentation of how the overarching influence of DH raises demands for changes in criticism as well.  
On the same note, you offer an intelligent discussion of the differences between the different disciplines, but you lost me when the conversation turned to digital humanities. The reader is hit with numerous assumptions that don’t receive much attention. Is it possible to flesh some of the critical points you bring up regarding the status of digital humanities and the importance of having a solid rhetoric of criticism? I’m not sure you answer how  DH can incorporate a rhetoric and an aesthetics of rhetoric that will set it apart from other disciplines. I agree with you that as a new field DH presents a new challenge to DHers and others and the urgency for validity and for better recognition takes prominence in this piece. 

This shows an intelligent attempt to quantify and qualify what DH means and what it should evolve into if it aspires to a stable future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can’t stress enough the saliency of the points you bring up here and I can understand why you want to stay away from established nomenclature, such as “cultural criticism.” The question is do you borrow an existing rhetoric or do you establish a new rhetoric which would be more befitting for a new field? You emphasize how this new field exhibits a deeper and more extensive complexity, however the extent to which digital humanities differs from the other disciplines remains hazy throughout. This argumentation makes a strong case for a lack of critical discourse in DH and highlights the need for valid and effective criticism for acknowledgement in the eyes of insiders as well as outsiders. What struck me particularly was the depth to which your argument aspires and the ability to recognize the interconnections between the fields and the mutual influence they have on each other.  I’d like to see a better presentation of how the overarching influence of DH raises demands for changes in criticism as well.<br />
On the same note, you offer an intelligent discussion of the differences between the different disciplines, but you lost me when the conversation turned to digital humanities. The reader is hit with numerous assumptions that don’t receive much attention. Is it possible to flesh some of the critical points you bring up regarding the status of digital humanities and the importance of having a solid rhetoric of criticism? I’m not sure you answer how  DH can incorporate a rhetoric and an aesthetics of rhetoric that will set it apart from other disciplines. I agree with you that as a new field DH presents a new challenge to DHers and others and the urgency for validity and for better recognition takes prominence in this piece. </p>
<p>This shows an intelligent attempt to quantify and qualify what DH means and what it should evolve into if it aspires to a stable future.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Clustering with Compression for the Historian by Chad Black by Chad Black</title>
		<link>http://digitalhumanitiesnow.org/2012/01/clustering-with-compression-for-the-historian-by-chad-black/#comment-63</link>
		<dc:creator>Chad Black</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2012 00:37:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shawn-- I have graphed a bunch of clusters using this technique, they just didn&#039;t make it into this post originally. As you imagine, individual documents are treated as nodes, and the relationships between them as the edges. But yes, it is perfect data for applying a network analysis.

Thanks for the comment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shawn&#8211; I have graphed a bunch of clusters using this technique, they just didn&#8217;t make it into this post originally. As you imagine, individual documents are treated as nodes, and the relationships between them as the edges. But yes, it is perfect data for applying a network analysis.</p>
<p>Thanks for the comment.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Critical Discourse in the Digital Humanities by Fred Gibbs by fred gibbs</title>
		<link>http://digitalhumanitiesnow.org/2012/01/critical-discourse-in-the-digital-humanities-by-fred-gibbs/#comment-62</link>
		<dc:creator>fred gibbs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Feb 2012 21:25:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@KH: I agree; peer review and critical discourse are different--these comments are making me realize i need to discuss more explicitly how they overlap and how they don&#039;t. Your reference to Bianco&#039;s article  is a good way of suggesting that I need to be clearer about how i think peer review and critique need to be integrated. The criticisms that Bianco and I argue for, in my view, are wholly different, and I mean for mine to be much more closely aligned to evaluative review vs the social critique that Bianco calls for. They are not, of course, wholly different. But i need to outline their relationship more clearly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@KH: I agree; peer review and critical discourse are different&#8211;these comments are making me realize i need to discuss more explicitly how they overlap and how they don&#8217;t. Your reference to Bianco&#8217;s article  is a good way of suggesting that I need to be clearer about how i think peer review and critique need to be integrated. The criticisms that Bianco and I argue for, in my view, are wholly different, and I mean for mine to be much more closely aligned to evaluative review vs the social critique that Bianco calls for. They are not, of course, wholly different. But i need to outline their relationship more clearly.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Critical Discourse in the Digital Humanities by Fred Gibbs by fred gibbs</title>
		<link>http://digitalhumanitiesnow.org/2012/01/critical-discourse-in-the-digital-humanities-by-fred-gibbs/#comment-61</link>
		<dc:creator>fred gibbs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Feb 2012 21:20:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@KC: One of my concerns with a set of standards is that they encourage more strictly evaluative critiques. I think i was implicitly arguing that even if we want to have official standards (difficult b/c of range of DH projects), it needs to be a living document that grows out of a broad ongoing discussion of how projects succeed or not according to their own goals, not necessarily predetermined criteria.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@KC: One of my concerns with a set of standards is that they encourage more strictly evaluative critiques. I think i was implicitly arguing that even if we want to have official standards (difficult b/c of range of DH projects), it needs to be a living document that grows out of a broad ongoing discussion of how projects succeed or not according to their own goals, not necessarily predetermined criteria.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Critical Discourse in the Digital Humanities by Fred Gibbs by fred gibbs</title>
		<link>http://digitalhumanitiesnow.org/2012/01/critical-discourse-in-the-digital-humanities-by-fred-gibbs/#comment-60</link>
		<dc:creator>fred gibbs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Feb 2012 21:17:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@NC: These are very good points, ones that absolutely should be addressed in the essay, if they don&#039;t require an entirely separate one. For here, I wouldn&#039;t say that i&#039;ve assiduously avoided discussing evaluation--that would attribute far more intentionality than was the case, though their separation is no accident. 

I privilege critique over evaluation for several reasons that certainly require more reflection on my part. My first take is that I think probably shot myself in the foot by claiming that &quot;Critique is fundamentally about interpretation.&quot; What i should have said was something more along the lines of &quot;Critique is normally about interpretation, and even though part of this interpretative work is inextricably linked to evaluating it, it goes far beyond it as well--and it&#039;s both of these that we need to bring to our discussion of DH work.&quot; So you&#039;re right: i do mean to return to evaluation to some extent. But I didn&#039;t want to focus on traditional elements of evaluation (and perhaps unfairly elided it) for a few reasons:

Firstly, as everyone knows, evaluating DH projects is inordinately difficult. Part of the reason for this difficulty is in decided what criteria against which value can be judged. As a community, we have not fully articulated those values. As i tried to suggest, some visible efforts toward establishing these have approached it from an evaluative perspectives, but ones that I don&#039;t think are fundamentally helpful (though one understands the need for simplified lists); and i don&#039;t think that such a discourse can come from evaluations alone. In other words, a more substantial critical discourse would make evaluation more useful, if not possible.

Secondly, the appeal to the old-school nineteenth century critics is a deliberate and rhetorical one (as one would hope). Although one could have an entirely different list--i claim no expertise in critical theory or its history--these critics were instrumental in shaping modern notions of (literary) criticism, so i think we can learn from the ways they went about that creative birthing process and decide what to do differently. They are certainly not the only models, but it seems a relevant community to point to (even if their work diminished the evaluative component of criticism). I do not mean to suggest that they should be our model critics in a general sense. References to critics probably needs to be expanded along the lines you suggest (thanks!). 

Putting these together, I would say that DH criticism must not be about only interpretation, but the extent to which a work/project is doing something useful/original/[insert other evaluative criteria here] and doing it what seems to be the best way (yes, i have just increased the tautological coefficient of this entire response). In my conception of them, criticism itself, as opposed to mere evaluation, constitutes valuable intellectual work in itself in the way that it sets agendas, determines evaluative criteria, and creates an ongoing discussion about continually shapes our work and how we approach it afterwards.

My confusion b/w peer review and critique is real; I guess I was thinking about how to make critique more a part of peer review, which is its traditional form seems inadequate for DH work.

And yes, collaborative peer review is very different from a crowdsourced variety. I probably should draw a sharper distinction.

Thanks for the insightful critique (and its extension on the google doc).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@NC: These are very good points, ones that absolutely should be addressed in the essay, if they don&#8217;t require an entirely separate one. For here, I wouldn&#8217;t say that i&#8217;ve assiduously avoided discussing evaluation&#8211;that would attribute far more intentionality than was the case, though their separation is no accident. </p>
<p>I privilege critique over evaluation for several reasons that certainly require more reflection on my part. My first take is that I think probably shot myself in the foot by claiming that &#8220;Critique is fundamentally about interpretation.&#8221; What i should have said was something more along the lines of &#8220;Critique is normally about interpretation, and even though part of this interpretative work is inextricably linked to evaluating it, it goes far beyond it as well&#8211;and it&#8217;s both of these that we need to bring to our discussion of DH work.&#8221; So you&#8217;re right: i do mean to return to evaluation to some extent. But I didn&#8217;t want to focus on traditional elements of evaluation (and perhaps unfairly elided it) for a few reasons:</p>
<p>Firstly, as everyone knows, evaluating DH projects is inordinately difficult. Part of the reason for this difficulty is in decided what criteria against which value can be judged. As a community, we have not fully articulated those values. As i tried to suggest, some visible efforts toward establishing these have approached it from an evaluative perspectives, but ones that I don&#8217;t think are fundamentally helpful (though one understands the need for simplified lists); and i don&#8217;t think that such a discourse can come from evaluations alone. In other words, a more substantial critical discourse would make evaluation more useful, if not possible.</p>
<p>Secondly, the appeal to the old-school nineteenth century critics is a deliberate and rhetorical one (as one would hope). Although one could have an entirely different list&#8211;i claim no expertise in critical theory or its history&#8211;these critics were instrumental in shaping modern notions of (literary) criticism, so i think we can learn from the ways they went about that creative birthing process and decide what to do differently. They are certainly not the only models, but it seems a relevant community to point to (even if their work diminished the evaluative component of criticism). I do not mean to suggest that they should be our model critics in a general sense. References to critics probably needs to be expanded along the lines you suggest (thanks!). </p>
<p>Putting these together, I would say that DH criticism must not be about only interpretation, but the extent to which a work/project is doing something useful/original/[insert other evaluative criteria here] and doing it what seems to be the best way (yes, i have just increased the tautological coefficient of this entire response). In my conception of them, criticism itself, as opposed to mere evaluation, constitutes valuable intellectual work in itself in the way that it sets agendas, determines evaluative criteria, and creates an ongoing discussion about continually shapes our work and how we approach it afterwards.</p>
<p>My confusion b/w peer review and critique is real; I guess I was thinking about how to make critique more a part of peer review, which is its traditional form seems inadequate for DH work.</p>
<p>And yes, collaborative peer review is very different from a crowdsourced variety. I probably should draw a sharper distinction.</p>
<p>Thanks for the insightful critique (and its extension on the google doc).</p>
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		<title>Comment on Critical Discourse in the Digital Humanities by Fred Gibbs by fred gibbs</title>
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		<dc:creator>fred gibbs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Feb 2012 21:07:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@RW: My reference to Arnald and formal critique was not intended to suggest the exclusion of other kinds of critique or that is it easy or profitable to separate it from other kinds of critique. The social and political critique you call attention to are indeed important, but i think it would be difficult to engage with those perspectives without considering (perhaps first) the form of the database, say, (or whatever) and how its form opens or closes doors for potential users.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@RW: My reference to Arnald and formal critique was not intended to suggest the exclusion of other kinds of critique or that is it easy or profitable to separate it from other kinds of critique. The social and political critique you call attention to are indeed important, but i think it would be difficult to engage with those perspectives without considering (perhaps first) the form of the database, say, (or whatever) and how its form opens or closes doors for potential users.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Clustering with Compression for the Historian by Chad Black by Shawn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Feb 2012 17:58:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m fascinated by this method, and so very much appreciate this introduction to it. The discussion about understanding just how the different zip routines work is salutary, and dovetails nicely with Weingart&#039;s warnings about the appropriation of tools from other disciplines. 

As I read this, I am thinking about visualization, and it occurs to me that what you have here is the foundation for a network analysis as well, with the compression distance metric output as the strength of ties between your documents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m fascinated by this method, and so very much appreciate this introduction to it. The discussion about understanding just how the different zip routines work is salutary, and dovetails nicely with Weingart&#8217;s warnings about the appropriation of tools from other disciplines. </p>
<p>As I read this, I am thinking about visualization, and it occurs to me that what you have here is the foundation for a network analysis as well, with the compression distance metric output as the strength of ties between your documents.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Demystifying Networks Parts 1 &amp; 2 by Scott Weingart by Shawn</title>
		<link>http://digitalhumanitiesnow.org/2012/02/demystifying-networks-part-1-2-by-scott-weingart/#comment-57</link>
		<dc:creator>Shawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Feb 2012 15:38:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Scott,

This is a very useful and comprehensive introduction to some of the practicalities, caveats, and possibilities, of network analysis. 

Your comments about the dangers of two-mode networks, for humanists, and the problems of the various metrics not really being meant for two-mode networks should I think be emphasized even more. What methodological or theoretical implications are there for when a two-mode network gets collapsed into a one-mode network? Some sense of what a person must do conceptually (and/or link to tools), in order to collapse a two-mode network down might be in order.

I&#039;ve been using this post as required reading in two of my digital history classes. Thanks!

Shawn</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Scott,</p>
<p>This is a very useful and comprehensive introduction to some of the practicalities, caveats, and possibilities, of network analysis. </p>
<p>Your comments about the dangers of two-mode networks, for humanists, and the problems of the various metrics not really being meant for two-mode networks should I think be emphasized even more. What methodological or theoretical implications are there for when a two-mode network gets collapsed into a one-mode network? Some sense of what a person must do conceptually (and/or link to tools), in order to collapse a two-mode network down might be in order.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been using this post as required reading in two of my digital history classes. Thanks!</p>
<p>Shawn</p>
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